Nota del Traductor: Esto NO es mío. Lo encontré en Yuaerubi (en una sección para miembros que ascendieron) y pensé que todos deberian leerlo. Recientemente, mis derechos y obligaciones como una traductora fueron cuestionados por decidir no traducir algo de aquí asi que estoy otorgandoles su deseos y nivelando el campo de juego. Ustedes saben tanto como las Cassies coreanas ahora. algunas cosas han sido puestas negrita para su conveniencia. NO se la lleven mal con el mensajero.
oh PD: creí que debia solo decir esto, no soy una fan internacional. Soy coreana hablo, respiro y como coreano. Es por eso que fui capaz de tener acceso... algunas coasa que estuvieron solo dispponibles en los portales coreanos y eso es por que, con todo el entendimiento del contenido, tomé la decisión de no traducir ciertas cosas. Ninguno de los trabajos que hago es para mi propio beneficio de cualquier manera, asi que por favor mantengan esto en mente cuando lean mis publicaciones. Solo soy una chica de 17, quien deberia estar estudiando para sus examenes pero en lugar de eso esta traduciendo. Bien es suficiente.
Hoy fue la audiencia entre sm y los tres miembros...
Primero que todos, mis pensamientos han sido puestos aquí asi que por favor tomen eso en consideración mientras lo lee. Lo debí haber escrito cosas abajo mientras estaba allí T_T...
No recuerdo todo... pero escribiré todo lo que recuerde aquí.
Cuando fui, habian un par de reporteros y ... el presidente Kim young Min asi como una mujer, y ese mujer se amntenía suspirando... como alguien que era inocente y que era tratada de manera injusta, especialmente cuando el abogado de los tres miebmros estaba hablando...
(Ahora ser que, esa mujer es la Presidenta de SM Japón)
Hablaré acerca de lo que se estaba hablando entre nuestras estrellas (Cassiopeia) primero. Ustedes tienen que saber esto.
Veo a muchas de nuestras estrellas diciendo que los tres meimbros deben aceptar las condiciones de hoy, pero recuerden que SM no fueron loq eu pusieron estas condiciones!!!
Si ven los artículos acerca de las condiciones...
La idea vino del juez casi al final de la audiencia,
El jues le dió al representante de SM un ejemplo muy extremista y le preguntó si SM estaría dispuesto a cambiar el contrato de lso tres miembros si los terminos fueran de una duración de un año y si el contrato fuera totalmente difernte del actual,
El representante de SM dijo al juez para preguntar eso a Kim Young Min,
Kim young Min se puso de pie (para mí, lucía un poco vacilante) y dijo, "Estariamos dispuestos a llegar a un acuerdo."
Se siente como que estaba diciendo que estarian dispuestos a considerarlo pero no que estarian de acuerdo en un arreglo de seguro.
A esto, el juez preguntó la parte de los tres meimbros la misma pregunta, y el abogado habló como si no tuviera inclinación a llegar a un acuerdo.
Parecía como si estuviera viendo lo que decía ya que los tres miembros no estaban allí, pero dijo que los tres miembros realmente no querian llegar a un acuerdo...
Asi que el juez preguntó si un acuerdo era imposible y el abogado de los tres miembros dijo algo acerca de la confianza personal y que a relación entre los tres miembros y SM se habia vuelto demasiada apretada.
Y sobretodo...esto fue un poco... pero personalmente, pensé que el abogado de SM habló muy bien. Casi sentí que estaba siendo persuadida?
Lo que dijo sonó tan creible... pero era un poco arrogante? Se sentó curvado en su silla, y sentí que la manera que habló fue un poco arrogante.
Comparado a él, el abogado de los tres meimbros era... tan carente que yo quería hablar en vez de él.
El juez estaba como lanzandoles preguntas de una manera atacante y fue capaz de recoger todas las fallas en los argumentos.
Y dijo que los dos fuera de los tres miembros tenian lineas de creditos (*por favor vean abajo) y le preguntaron a SM como ellos hiban a explicar eso.
+) El juez dijo a la parte de SM, "Ustedes dijeron que los dos de los tres meimbros tenian lineas de creditos, cierto?" Sm trató de decir, "no, uno..." pero el abogado de lo tres miembros cortó y dijo, "Son dos."
Y lo de Crebeau no fue planteado.
La parte de SM declaró que SM balancea cuentas dos veces al año. La parte de los tres miembros declaró que todo esto pasó parcialmente debido al hecho de que los salarios de los tres miembros para la primera mitad del 2009 no fueron correctos, asi que SM les dijo que vayan a ver ellos mismos.
La información para los conciertos y actividades no fueron clasificados en TVXQ, Super Junior, SNSD, etc, si no venian todos juntos en los grupo de 200X, mesX, díaX asi que SM dijo que toda la información habian tenido que almacenarlo en un contenedor.
Dijeron que fue por eso que no presentaron los documentos a la cortem y le dijeron a los tres miembros que vayan a ver por sí mismos, pero un representante de los tres miembros vino en lugar. entoces el juez pregunto a SM por que los tres miembros tenian que venir, y por que el representante simplemente no podia haber dado los documentos para darselo a los tres miembros. El representante de SM declaró que los tres miembros mismos sabrian mejor en donde performaron asi que deberian venir personalmente...
De todos modos, ellos aún no han sid capaces para comprobar correctamente esto ya que no hubo una respuesta.
(Lo siento... no recuerdo mucho esta parte...)
También, el abogado de los tres miembros dijo que recibió una copia de las cuentas pero los detalles de donde venian no fueron escritos en ellos.
Por ejemplo, se dijo que TVXQ ganó 3.4 billones de won de los conciertos de su primer asia Tour que tuvo un total de 14 presentaciones, pero en su segundo Asia tour, que tuvo un número similar de audiencia y un par de presentaciones extras, ellos ganaron 1.5 billones de won menos (No recuerdo si dijo que fue 1.5 billones de won menos o que fue 1.5 billones en total).
Por lo tanto, dijo que no podía confiar en SM,
y por las actividades Japonesas, TVXQ ganó más de 99 billones de won pero el dinero nunca llega a ellos, y que su ganacia japonesa son dividida entre AVEX y SM Japón, y luego a SM y luego a los miembros.
Estaba preguntando donde fue todo el dinero... (lo siento;; mi memoria es...) y el juez le preguntó cual era suu punto, y también preguntó si su punto era qye no podia confiar en AVEX, y si los miembros no podian confiar en AVEX, por que ellos renovaron su contrato con la agencia.
El abogado dijo que no era que los tres miembros no confiaran en AVEX, era que no podian confiar lo que venia despues de AVEX... algo así.
En conclusión, el juez dijo que ninguno de los lados parecian querer retrocedes de su posición y que sería difícil llegar a un arreglo.
+)Pero el lado de los tres miembros dijo que hablarian con los tres miembros de ello de nuevo.
Si pudiera decir una cosa más, creo que SM tiene mucha evidencia preparada para este juicio. cada vez que el representante abria la boca, decía que presentaría todo luego....
Cuando las personas estuvieron dejando la audiencia... salí cuando Kim Young Min estaba llendose... y casi juro... él estaba sonriendo mientras estaba saliendo y tenia... una expreción de confianza en su rostro... personalmente pienso que el juez estaba inclinandose por el lado de SM...(ese es un pensamiento personal)
De todos modos, el abogado era muy convincente... Me molesté tantp, quería levantarme y hablar por los tres meimbros...decian cosas ridículas... como dije, añdiré más cuando lo recuerde.
+++)
(Lo siento por añadir continuamente nuevas cosas... sigo recordando cosas..)
Cerca al final, cuando estaban hablando acerca d euna arreglo, el juez pidio para que los tres miembros dijeran algo ellos mismo,
pero el abogado de los tres miembros dijo que no habia pasado mucho desde que los tres miembros no eran menores de edad y que ellos podrian no ser capaces de hablar bien en tal situación. El abogado de SM se burló y dijo, "Ellos ya no más son niños, lo son?"... su voz derrabama burla... (desde un prunto de vista personal)
Honestamente, los tres miembros nunca han esta en un ambiente así, entonces es cierto que ellos podrian no haber sido capaces de hablar bien,
Creo que fue por eso que el abogado dijo tales cosas... um...
++)
Y lo que la parte de los tres miembros estaba enfatizando era las actividades de presentaciones como cinco.
Que los tres miembros realmente querian performar como cinco..
+)
Se les dijo que presentaran todos los documentos para finales de Mayo... eso probablemente será cuando el veredicto sea hecho..?
Y lo que he estado escribiendo aquí no contiene mentiras, son todas las cosas que ví y escuché. Espero que nuestras estrellas crean en ellos y esperen por ellos hasta el final.
N/T: Linea de crédito es un cualquier fuente de crétido extendido a un negocio por un banco o una institució financiera. Una linea de crédito puede tomar varias formas como credito en efectivo, sobregiros, sobre giros, préstamos a solicitud, crédito a la exportación de embalaje(?), préstamos, descuentos o adquisición de facturas cpmerciales etc. Es como una cuenta que puede facilmente ser usada por si surge una necesidad o no se toca en lo absoluto y se guarda para emergencias. El interes solo es pagado sobre el dinero que fue en realidad retirado. El concepto ha sido introducido recientemente despues de la crisis de asia oriental. El gobierno puede prestar dinero de las intituciones monetarias internacionales sin tener que manejar el problema de una creciente de las reservas de intercambio exterior.
La lineas de crédito son a menudo extendidas por bancos e instituciones financieras a los clientes de crédito meritorios para superar los problemas de liquidez (fuente:wikipedia-trad 2uangels)
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"Oh no, ví mis mensajes privados un poco tarde;; lo siento por eso.
Este juicio fue un juicio público; a ciudadanos ordinarios se les permitió ver, así que es por eso que fuí.
Estaba... un poco sorprendida de descubrir que hay interes por este juicio en el extranjero.
Y si pudiera decir una cosa más, no hay mentiras en este relato.
Por qué quisiera engañar a otros fans? Soy una fan de ama a TVXQ, y una personas que está interesada en leyes, es por eso que fuó. Espero que les puedas decirles eso...
De todos modos, si tiene algo más que te gustaría preguntar, por favor enviame un mensaje^^"
N/T: Esta es la respuesta que recibí de la cassiopeia que escribió este relato cuando le envié un mensaje preguntadole si el juicio estaba abierto al público o no ya que algunas fans internacionales estaban cuestionando por qué ella estaba allí en primer lugar.
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English:
T/N: This is NOT me. I found this on Yuaerubi (in a section only open to upgraded members) and thought that you all should read it. Recently, my rights and duties as a translator were questioned for deciding not the translate something so here I am granting your wish and leveling out the playing field. You know as much about this as kCassies do now. Things have been bolded for your convenience. DO NOT SHOOT THE MESSENGER. kthnxbai
oh P.S. I thought I should just say this, I'm not an international fan. I am Korean. I speak, breathe and eat Korean. So that is why I was able to gain access to... certain things that were only available on Korean portal sites and that is why, with full understanding of the content, I made the decision not the translate certain things. None of the work I do is for my own benefit in any way whatsoever, so please keep this in mind when you read my posts. I'm just a 17 year old kid, who should be studying for her APs but is translating instead. Okay enough ranting *slaps self*.
Today was the hearing between sm and the three members...
First of all, my personal thoughts have been put into this so please take that into consideration as you read it. I should have written stuff down while I was there T_T...
I don't remember everything... but I will write everything I remember here.
When I went, there were a couple of reporters and... President Kim Young Min as well as some woman, and that woman kept sighing... like someone who was innocent and being unfairly treated... throughout the whole trial, especially when the three members' lawyer was talking...
(I know now that, that woman is the President of SM Japan)
I'll talk about what is being talked about between our stars (Cassiopeia) first. You have to know this.
I see a lot of our stars saying that the three members should agree to the conditions laid out today, but remember that SM was not the ones to put forth those conditions!!!
If you look through the articles about the conditions...
The idea came from the judge near the end of the hearing,
The judge gave SM's representative a very extreme example and asked him if SM would be willing to change the three members' contract if the terms of contract were a year long and if the contract was entirely different from the current one.
SM's representative told the judge to ask that to Kim Young Min,
Kim Young Min stood up (to me, he looked kind of hesitant) and said, "We would be willing to come to a settlement."
It felt like he was saying that they would be willing to consider but not that they would agree on a settlement for sure.
To this, the judge asked the three members' side the same question, and the lawyer talked as if he had no inclination to come to a settlement.
It did seem as though he was watching what he said as the three members weren't there, but he said that the three members didn't really want to come to a settlement..
So the judge asked if a settlement was impossible and the three members' lawyer said something about personal trust and that the relationship between the three members and SM had become too tight.
And overall... this was a bit.. iffy.. but personally, I thought SM's lawyer spoke very well. I almost felt as though I was being persuaded?
What he said sounded so credible... but he was a bit arrogant? He sat crooked in his chair, and I felt that the way he spoke was a little arrogant too.
Compared to him, the three members' lawyer was... so lacking that I wanted to speak instead of him.
The judge was kind of throwing questions at them in a kind of attacking way and was able to pick out all the flaws in the arguments.
And he said that two out of the three members had credit lines (*please see below) and asked SM how they were going to explain that.
+)The judge said to SM's side, "You said that two of the three members have credit lines, right?" SM tried to say, "No, one..." but the three members' lawyer cut in and said, "It's two."
And Crebeau wasn't brought up that much.
SM's side stated that SM balances accounts biannually. The three members' side stated that this all happened partially due to the fact that the members' wages for the first half of 2009 weren't right, so SM had told them to come check for themselves.
The information for concerts and activities aren't sorted into TVXQ, Super Junior, SNSD, etc, but it comes all together in the groups of 200X, month X, day X so SM said all the information they had could store a container truck.
They said that was why they did not submit the documents to the Courts, and they told the three members to come check for themselves, but a representative of the three members came instead. So the judge asked SM why the three members had to come, and why the representative simply couldn't have been given the files to give to the three members. SM's representative stated that the members themselves would know best of what they performed in so they should personally come...
Anyway, they still haven't been able to properly check this as there wasn't an answer.
(Sorry... I don't remember a lot of this part...)
Also, the three members' lawyer said that he received a copy of the accounts but the specifics of what came from where were not written on them.
For example, it said that TVXQ earned 3.4 billion Won from their first Asia tour concerts that had a total of 14 performances but in their second Asia tour, that had a similar number of audience members and a couple of extra performances, they earned 1.5 billion Won less (I don't remember if he said that it was 1.5 billion Won less, or that it was only 1.5 billion total).Therefore, he said that he couldn't trust SM,
and for the Japanese activities, TVXQ earned over 99 billion Won but no money ever gets to them, and that their Japanese earning are split between AVEX and SM Japan, and then to SM and then to the members.
He was questioning where all that money went... (sorry;; my memory is....) and the judge asked him what his point was, and also asked if his point was that he can't trust in AVEX, and if the members can't trust in AVEX, why they renewed their contract with the agency.
The lawyer said that it wasn't that the three members didn't trust AVEX, it was that they couldn't trust what came after AVEX... something like that.
In conclusion, the judge said that neither side seemed to want to back down from their stance and that it would be hard to reach a settlement.
+)But the three members' side did say they would talk to the three members about it again.
If I could say one more thing, I think SM has a lot of evidence prepared for this lawsuit. Every time the representative opened his mouth, he would say that he would submit it all later........
When people were leaving after the hearing... I went out when Kim Young Min was leaving.... and I almost swore.... he was smiling as he was walking out and he had such a... confident expression on his face.... I personally thought the judge was leaning towards SM's side.. (that's a personal thought)
Anyway, the lawyer was very convincing... I would get so angry, I wanted to get up and speak for the three members instead.. they would say ridiculous things..... as I said, I'll add more when I remember it.
+++)
(Sorry for the continuous adding of new things... I keep remembering things..)
Near the end, when they were talking about a settlement, the judge asked for the three members to say something about it themselves,
but the three members' lawyer said that it hadn't been long since the three members were no longer minors and they might not be able to speak well in such a situation.
The SM lawyer sneered and said, "They aren't kids anymore, are they?".... His voice was dripping with mockery.. (from a personal standpoint)
Honestly, the three have never been to such an environment so it is true that they might not be able to speak well,
I think that was why the lawyer said such things.... um....
++)
And what the three members' side was emphasizing was performing activities as five.
That the three members really wanted to perform as five..
+)
They were told to submit all documents by late-May... that will probably be when the verdict is made..?
And what I've written here contain no lies, they're all things I saw and heard.
I hope that our stars believe in them and wait for them till the end.
T/N: Line of Credit - A line of credit is any credit source extended to a business by a bank or financial institution. A line of credit may take several forms such as cash credit, overdraft, demand loan, export packing credit, term loan, discounting or purchase of commercial bills etc. It is like an account that can readily be tapped into if the need arises or not touched at all and saved for emergencies. Interest is only paid on the money actually taken out. The concept has been introduced recently after the East Asian Crisis. The government can borrow money from international monetary institutions without having to handle the problem of an increasing foreign exchange reserves.
Lines of credit are often extended by banks and financial institutions to credit worthy customers to overcome liquidity problems. (source: Wikipedia)
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First of all, my personal thoughts have been put into this so please take that into consideration as you read it. I should have written stuff down while I was there T_T...
I don't remember everything... but I will write everything I remember here.
When I went, there were a couple of reporters and... President Kim Young Min as well as some woman, and that woman kept sighing... like someone who was innocent and being unfairly treated... throughout the whole trial, especially when the three members' lawyer was talking...
(I know now that, that woman is the President of SM Japan)
I'll talk about what is being talked about between our stars (Cassiopeia) first. You have to know this.
I see a lot of our stars saying that the three members should agree to the conditions laid out today, but remember that SM was not the ones to put forth those conditions!!!
If you look through the articles about the conditions...
The idea came from the judge near the end of the hearing,
The judge gave SM's representative a very extreme example and asked him if SM would be willing to change the three members' contract if the terms of contract were a year long and if the contract was entirely different from the current one.
SM's representative told the judge to ask that to Kim Young Min,
Kim Young Min stood up (to me, he looked kind of hesitant) and said, "We would be willing to come to a settlement."
It felt like he was saying that they would be willing to consider but not that they would agree on a settlement for sure.
To this, the judge asked the three members' side the same question, and the lawyer talked as if he had no inclination to come to a settlement.
It did seem as though he was watching what he said as the three members weren't there, but he said that the three members didn't really want to come to a settlement..
So the judge asked if a settlement was impossible and the three members' lawyer said something about personal trust and that the relationship between the three members and SM had become too tight.
And overall... this was a bit.. iffy.. but personally, I thought SM's lawyer spoke very well. I almost felt as though I was being persuaded?
What he said sounded so credible... but he was a bit arrogant? He sat crooked in his chair, and I felt that the way he spoke was a little arrogant too.
Compared to him, the three members' lawyer was... so lacking that I wanted to speak instead of him.
The judge was kind of throwing questions at them in a kind of attacking way and was able to pick out all the flaws in the arguments.
And he said that two out of the three members had credit lines (*please see below) and asked SM how they were going to explain that.
+)The judge said to SM's side, "You said that two of the three members have credit lines, right?" SM tried to say, "No, one..." but the three members' lawyer cut in and said, "It's two."
And Crebeau wasn't brought up that much.
SM's side stated that SM balances accounts biannually. The three members' side stated that this all happened partially due to the fact that the members' wages for the first half of 2009 weren't right, so SM had told them to come check for themselves.
The information for concerts and activities aren't sorted into TVXQ, Super Junior, SNSD, etc, but it comes all together in the groups of 200X, month X, day X so SM said all the information they had could store a container truck.
They said that was why they did not submit the documents to the Courts, and they told the three members to come check for themselves, but a representative of the three members came instead. So the judge asked SM why the three members had to come, and why the representative simply couldn't have been given the files to give to the three members. SM's representative stated that the members themselves would know best of what they performed in so they should personally come...
Anyway, they still haven't been able to properly check this as there wasn't an answer.
(Sorry... I don't remember a lot of this part...)
Also, the three members' lawyer said that he received a copy of the accounts but the specifics of what came from where were not written on them.
For example, it said that TVXQ earned 3.4 billion Won from their first Asia tour concerts that had a total of 14 performances but in their second Asia tour, that had a similar number of audience members and a couple of extra performances, they earned 1.5 billion Won less (I don't remember if he said that it was 1.5 billion Won less, or that it was only 1.5 billion total).Therefore, he said that he couldn't trust SM,
and for the Japanese activities, TVXQ earned over 99 billion Won but no money ever gets to them, and that their Japanese earning are split between AVEX and SM Japan, and then to SM and then to the members.
He was questioning where all that money went... (sorry;; my memory is....) and the judge asked him what his point was, and also asked if his point was that he can't trust in AVEX, and if the members can't trust in AVEX, why they renewed their contract with the agency.
The lawyer said that it wasn't that the three members didn't trust AVEX, it was that they couldn't trust what came after AVEX... something like that.
In conclusion, the judge said that neither side seemed to want to back down from their stance and that it would be hard to reach a settlement.
+)But the three members' side did say they would talk to the three members about it again.
If I could say one more thing, I think SM has a lot of evidence prepared for this lawsuit. Every time the representative opened his mouth, he would say that he would submit it all later........
When people were leaving after the hearing... I went out when Kim Young Min was leaving.... and I almost swore.... he was smiling as he was walking out and he had such a... confident expression on his face.... I personally thought the judge was leaning towards SM's side.. (that's a personal thought)
Anyway, the lawyer was very convincing... I would get so angry, I wanted to get up and speak for the three members instead.. they would say ridiculous things..... as I said, I'll add more when I remember it.
+++)
(Sorry for the continuous adding of new things... I keep remembering things..)
Near the end, when they were talking about a settlement, the judge asked for the three members to say something about it themselves,
but the three members' lawyer said that it hadn't been long since the three members were no longer minors and they might not be able to speak well in such a situation.
The SM lawyer sneered and said, "They aren't kids anymore, are they?".... His voice was dripping with mockery.. (from a personal standpoint)
Honestly, the three have never been to such an environment so it is true that they might not be able to speak well,
I think that was why the lawyer said such things.... um....
++)
And what the three members' side was emphasizing was performing activities as five.
That the three members really wanted to perform as five..
+)
They were told to submit all documents by late-May... that will probably be when the verdict is made..?
And what I've written here contain no lies, they're all things I saw and heard.
I hope that our stars believe in them and wait for them till the end.
T/N: Line of Credit - A line of credit is any credit source extended to a business by a bank or financial institution. A line of credit may take several forms such as cash credit, overdraft, demand loan, export packing credit, term loan, discounting or purchase of commercial bills etc. It is like an account that can readily be tapped into if the need arises or not touched at all and saved for emergencies. Interest is only paid on the money actually taken out. The concept has been introduced recently after the East Asian Crisis. The government can borrow money from international monetary institutions without having to handle the problem of an increasing foreign exchange reserves.
Lines of credit are often extended by banks and financial institutions to credit worthy customers to overcome liquidity problems. (source: Wikipedia)
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"Oh no, I checked my PMs a little late;; I'm sorry about that.
This trial was a public trial; ordinary citizens were allowed to watch so that's why I went.
I was... quite surprised to find out that there is interest for this trial overseas.
And if I could say one more thing, there are no lies in this account.
Why would I ever want to trick other fans? I am a fan who loves TVXQ, and a person who is very interested in law, so that was why I went. I hope you can tell them that...
Anyway, if you have any thing else you would like to ask, please send me a message ^^"
T/N: This is the reply I received from the Cassiopeia who wrote this account when I sent her a message asking her whether the trial was an open public trial or not as some international fans were questioning why she was there in the first place.
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